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. the tax policy center admitted that what they analyzed was assumptions they added to mitt romney's plan that are not deduction. >> which deductions. >> let me finish. i let you finish. now let me fin. >> yes, sir. >> the tax policy center admitted that they made assumptions that were not part of mitt romney's tax plan. there are six or seven follow-up studies that say romney's tax plan can do what the governor has said he would. he's going to eliminate or cap deductions on upper income brackets there is more enough in the basket of choices there to take care of providing the to 20% tax reduction to the middle class. >> no, there are not. >> with all due respect to what obama people are putting out, they're wrong on it. >> i'm not talking about what the obama people are talking. first of all, those are not six or seven independent studies, one is an editorial, these are not nonpartisan groups. >> the heritage foundation, aei? >> those are not nonpartisan independent studies. hardly. >> there is nonpartisan and independent as the tax policy people are. >> when did -- when did the governor

to what the president said romney's policies are. governor romney himself, meanwhile s meeting with supporters in colorado. romney said the debate gave him a chance to frame the campaign for the country for what their choice would be. >> last night, i thought it was a great opportunity for the american people to see two different visions for the country. it was helpful to describe the vigs. i saw the president's vision as trickledown government. >> governor romney may dance around his position but, if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth so he's the truth: governor romney can not pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. >> and the latest poll packs up that romney won the debate and 22% said the president came out on top. >> tom fitzgerald tonight in virginia's senate race. tim kaine continues to lead republican george allen in the polls. a wall street journal-maris poll of likely voters found cane with -- cane with 47% and putting him as the front runner after months of deadlock. >>> and new d

with. we know that mitt romney will, in a split second, waulk away from the central policy of his entire economic plan because he knows it's bad politics. he has been campaigning on this $5 trillion tax cut since the beginning of the primaries. and last night he tried to walk away from it, because he knows he's going to have to tell the middle class that he's going to have to raise their taxes if he wants to pay for it. >> the $5 trillion cut, the president talked about that today. that was sort of the heart when you talk about him being honest, it comes down to the tax cuts. >> with well, there's plenty of other examples. >> let me play this one and get your reaction. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> stephanie, let me ask you about that. here at cnn, we fact checked that

, this is the center. this is the core of mitt romney's economic policy. last night, he walked away from it, said he didn't have a $5 trillion tax cut. he does. that's what lowering the rates amounts to. >> okay. i know you and i disagree whether it's a $5 trillion tax cut. >> he won't say how he's going to pay for it. >> i think both of us have made our point on this i want to ask you something else on this front because this whole issue of adjusting on dishonesty, your campaign is going to adjust because of what you've called romney's dishonesty. you also talked about recalibrating and recalculating. so, what does that mean you're going to do? >> well, i think that, you know -- look, the president came into the debate last night really wanting to have a conversation with the american people about his plans, his policies. and to correct mitt romney when he was distorting the president's record or distorting his own. turns out that's all that mitt romney did. you know, on issue after issue. pre-existing conditions. says he's going to cover people with pre-existing conditions. that's absolutely not t

of the spin master in chief. speaking in colorado, he mocked mitt romney's policies, challenged his facts and pointed out differences between what mitt romney said last night and during the campaign. the problem, though, is that a much smaller group of people saw the president's appearance today than the 50 million who watched last night as mitt romney gave the political performance of his life. >> reporter: fresh off of what many supporters viewed as a disappointing debate, president obama is trying to hit reset. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. >> reporter: speaking in denver, the president argued mitt romney's debate performance was big on style but short on facts. >> the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts to favor the wealthy. last night, he said he didn't know anything about that. >> reporter: mitt romney quickly tried to capitalize on his momentum. >> last night, i thought it was a great opportunity for the american people to see two different vigs for t

. >> and challenge on obama's hits on his own policies point by point. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> virtually everything he said about hi tax plan is inaccurate. >> for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan, and now five weeks before the election he's saying that his big bold idea is nevermind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> the president's lackluster response sent critics into a tail spin and put team obama on defense. >> i don't know what he was doing out there. he had his head down, he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it. the latest thing we got from romney because he said so, was, you know what i want to do with people when they are poor? shove them in the emergency room. where was obama tonight? >> progressives from chris matthews to bill maher to michael moore all across the progressive wing of the democratic party, there's great disappointment. >> they were jumping out of their seats watching. >> i understand. i understand there was a hunger for us to attack romney more persona

for a long time to portray, to characterize governor romney's policies in any way they wanted to because he was not saying anything specific about his policies. he's now said a bunch of things, and they will now look at those things for inconsistencies and look at those things where they will be able to say well sate a second, you said x that's inconsistent with y. they will go and start to litigate that because they're going to lose, as mike said, the liberal media is mad at president obama right now. and there's going to be a lot of wailing and nashing on the web tomorrow about this. not at romney. saying president obama failed from the left. and then the middle i think is going to come to a conclusion like we've had around this table. they're going to take some lumps for the next 24 hours and like the obama campaign does they'll go back to the swing states and drill back on the stuff and trying to take romney apart piece by piece and get ready for what is now going to be i think a very very very heavy duty second debate. this is, governor romney won what he wanted which is he wanted to t

little discussion, very little pushback as you say on mitt romney's policies. so it seemed like the president just spent his time defending what he did in the past four years without mitt romney ever having to really explain what he would do going forward. the only thing i can think is that the president was told first and foremost play it safe. don't make any big mistakes. don't do anything big that shows up in an attack ad. you can't do that in politics. you can't show up afraid of making a mistake. you can't play it safe. you have to be on the offense and win the day. the one thing i will say for mitt romney and for the republican party is last night mitt romney very aggressively moved to the center. finally seemed to commit to i am a centrist. i support very closely to where obama is. just slight differences. i think it's an acknowledgment that he really can't run on the far right policies that the republican party has been pushing. it took until now with the republican party sort of staring over the abyss at a potential loss before they would give him that permission to mov

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more subdued, offering extensive policy details holding back attacks he used on romney on the campaign trail. the president left out the frequent attack about mr. romney's 47% comments. a cnn opinion research poll taken after the debate shows 67% of registered voters believe mitt romney had a better night. 25% said president obama. a cbs poll says 46% of uncommitted voters said romney had the stronger performance. 22% said it was the president. the headline in this mornings usa today, romney seizes offense on obama's record. romney takes fight to obama. after a handshake in the middle of the stage and talk of the president's 20th wedding anniversary, they got down to business with details on taxes and debt and what is best for this country's middle class. >> this is where there's a difference because governor romney's plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the bush tax cuts and military spending that the military hasn't asked for. it's $8 trillion. how we pay for that, reduce the deficit and make the investments we need to make without dumping those costs on to middle class ame

.s. wonk. >> what's that? >> b.s. wonk. >> mitt romney was floating policies out there -- >> united states has the best health outcomes in the world? >> it was not -- that's it, it was not a lot of one-liners and zingers. >> a couple of good one-liners. people forgot. i've been in business for 25 years, i have no idea what you're talking about, that's pretty good. >> i need to consult with my accountant is not -- >> another softball. >> i want to know what you think. in terms of moving voters, does the american public watch that? there were half an hour of referencing dodd/frank, some people don't know what dodd/frank is. some people may think that's a guy named dodd frank. >> i thought the same thing. there were a couple -- the same with bowles-simpson. long discussions were, i guess, music to ears of dorks like us. if you're a regular person -- >> not music to my ears. >> -- living your wife, a persuadable voter do you know what the conversation is? that's why the style points matter. >> look what happens, every time we have debate season, out come the stories that talk about the big mom

a good idea next week. romney will give a major foreign policy speech . he will give the address in virginia. romney is critical of the president's foreign policy . he will focus on the terror attack in benghazi. a lot of folks critized the obama administration about how it respond changed stories. president obama considered putting bin laden on trial. president obama planned to hold a criminal trial in federal court if bin laden was captured and not killed in the daring navy seal raid . he apparently felt due process and rule of law would be the best weapon against al-qaida and contradicts many advisors opposed the raid. >> it is back to the bargaining table and american airlines resuming the stalled negotiations with the pilot's union. >> we had seats come loose. it is a hazard later in flight. >> yeah, it could have been messy there. >> yesterday a plane's landing gear, warning lights jammed after taking off from dallas. the plane headed to st. louis and had to make an emergency landing in texas. no one was hurt. >> $127,000 worth of jewelry swiped from the new york city brown

opportunity after opportunity to go after romney on his policies, but he wasn't taking the bait. here are some issues he could have pounced on romney for. let's watch. >> i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. with regards to young people coming along, i have got proposals to make sure medicare and social security are there for them without any question. number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. we've had 43 straight months with unemployment above 8%. if i'm president, i will create -- help create 12 million new jobs in this country with rising incomes. >> governor, i don't know how he got away with it. i don't know why the president didn't say it. he wants to get rid of the estate tax. the wealthiest people that got a quarter billion bucks in the bank, they want to keep it for their kids when they're gone. that's for the rich. 47%, he said people on social security are a bunch of bums and parasites. now he's saying i just want to save what they have. and this thing about pre-existing condition. he didn't tell the truth last night. he doesn't have a pla

's policies failed. he was have effective last night. this is a guy from the romney people hate almost as much as -- >> let me bring in keith boykin on this. with health care it seems that the governor is having both ways here. he wants states in control of health care and medicaid, but he says he would have a formula based on what he did in massachusetts if he became president. so that would be some kind of federal health care, universal health care? >> republicans hate obama care, except last night mitt romney embraced tentative bahama care without calling it that. he would he should repeal it and keep the basic principles behind it. republicans hate the idea of redistributing wealth. mitt romney talked about he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy and middle class. the republicans hate the idea of keeping all these government programs in place. they want to cut spending, but mitt romney wouldn't say any programs he wanted to cut in spending last night except for pbs. the only other thing he mentioned was obama care, which adds $109 billion to the deficit. east cuts less than 0.1 of 1%.

mitt romney's policies or his inconsistencinconsistenn. romney's classic comment about dismissing the 47% of the country that are under various federal programs. his imgags position, romney's jobs in massachusetts to name a few and i have my own personal list which i'll get to. senator michael beties, a democrat here in his home state and michael steele, the former chairman of the republican national committee. both howard and michael are political msnbc analysts. i'll start with an elected official. the people that worked for the president had to come out and say he did well. everyone else said he didn't. >> i was in the hall so i can say i haven't seen it on tv. but on the substance, in colorado, we're a third republican and a third democratic and a third independent and we don't like people to say one thing in boston, one in denver and one thing in rural and one thing in urban and i think we heard more of that from mitt romney. >> who called him on that? we went an hour and a half before i went -- a couple days ago he talked about the pre-existing coverage and now you're saying

can't trust mitt romney because he will take us back to the same policies, in many cases on steroids, and the president has got a plan to rebuild this economy from the middle out. i don't think voters lost that tonight. they were very clear that governor romney is trickle down. president obama is middle class out. and that's a debate we look forward to continuing over the next few weeks. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> cnbc news conducted a snap poll of voters who watched the debate. 46% say mitt romney won. 22% say president obama won. and 32% called it a tie. much more ahead, including the take on some of the numbers we heard tonight from mitt romney. >> as president i will sit down on day one with leaders, the democratic leaders, as well as republican leaders. sltz i think governor romney is going to have a first day, going to also appeal obama care. [ male announcer ] if it wasn't for a little thing called the computer, we might still be making mix tapes. find this. pause this. play this. eject this. write this. it's like the days before esurance e

crushed. >> governor romney's policies call for an $8hill tax cut in addition to additional spending for our military. the average person making $3 million is getting a $250,000 tax break while middle class families are burdened further. that's not what i believe is a recipe for economic growth. >> virtually everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate. if the tax plan he described is a tax plain would be asked to support would say absolutely not. i will reduce the share to high income individuals. i have got five boys. i'm used to someone saying things that aren't ultimately true but keep on repeating it hoping i will believe it. but that is not the case. i will not raise tax on middle income families. i'll lower taxes on middle income families. martha: by our count president obama mentioned the middle class 19 times, clearly a focus of every presidential election. let's talk about this. lanny davis joins me now. and jonah goldberg is the editor at large for the national review. welcome, jonah. lanny, you listened to all that. what do you think? >> i'm not very happy with

's policies, middle income americans have been buried. they're being crushed. >> romney was loose and managed to all but call the president an immature fibber without being rude. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. on top of the extension to the bush tax cuts. >> i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. of a scale that you're talking about. i will not reduce the share paid by high income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people burks it's just not the case. look, i got five boys, i'm used to people saying something that's not always true. >> health care, romney was on offense, touting what he passed in massachusetts as an example of a bipartisan compromise and a model for the whole country at the state level. >> we've seen this model work really well. in massachusetts because governor romney did a good thing, working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model. >> i like the way we did it in massachusetts. entirely

democrat house and senate he got everything he wanted and still his policies failed. but mitt romney has been proven to make things happen and make things greater. jon: angela -- >> i'm glad you said that please tell your folk on capitol hill. that is exactly what we need in washington right now. which need both parties working together to move us forward. >> maybe need to help obama with communications so he can do better in the next debate. jon: there is a compliment for you. cory, an gell last, thank you both. >> thank you. jenna: some new details about an al qaeda terrorist recently transferred from guantanamo bay to a civilian prison in canada. we brought you the story yesterday. he killed a u.s. soldier. he is considered dangerous but he could potentially be a free man soon. why did this happen? what sort of danger does he still pose? we'll dig a little deeper into that. >>> plus federal agents raid a business in texas coming away with boxes of evidence not tied to drug cartels or terrorism. wait until you hear who was the target, next. are you receiving a payout from a legal settl

to support mitt romney. i'm just trying to tell the truth about the policy change. in any case, so my unsolicited advice, we'll pivot away from a dispute we probably won't resolve here, is for pundants and journalists after this debate, it might be time to wrap up on the elections of 2000, 1872 and 188 where the three elections where the winner of the popular vote did not win the electoral college. i think what you're going to see in a few days is polling showing mitt romney and barack obama pulling really close together in the national vote while with obama still up five or six points in some polls in ohio. so even if it doesn't happen, we're at least going to have to talk about the scenario on shows like this and elsewhere for a while. so remember the samuel tildon ruter b. hayes election, it's time to talk about that again. >> democrats have historically hated the electoral college because we always were assuming we were winning the popular vote. this might be the first election where democrats actually like the electoral college. >> we're loving it now. >> it's incredibly possible

on the attack, at least defend himself in his own policies and point out when he thinks romney is not being fully honest and, also, there was a quality where he wanted to talk beyond the debate and look straight into the camera and talk to the audience at home, rather than engaging romney more directly and, again, i think you'll see him engage more directly in the next debate. the president is very competitive and he likes to win and i think you'll see a change in style in the next debate. >> he was in a split screen, we were watching him even when romney was speaking so all of thez facial expressions that didn't help him either. >> yeah, go ahead. >> i find that hard to believe after the gore 2000 experience with al gore sighing and how the split screen really did a disservice to al gore. i find it hard to believe that any sophisticated political operation would not prepare for that. but, maybe the president just didn't want to think about it. he doesn't like to take style advice. it's not his kind of thing but after last night, i bet he will. >> i was always told somebody attacks you, you

romney, but fairly ssall. lots of policy. for reporters and voters who thought a lot of times this campaign has ordered a little bit too on -- to much on the cynical, there was it kind of policy tonight. you heard president obama at one. take the president -- take mitt romney to task. that did not happen until the last half-hour of the debate. for the better part of the first hour, it was mitt romney who was pn offense, challenging the president's record, addressing him directly, accusing the president of misrepresenting mitt romney. toward the end, we heard mitt romney say, you are entitled to your own house and plain, but not your own facts. there was a fair amount of %+arring back and forth. generally speaking, there demeanor's seemed like, in mitt romney's case, he is prepared to be president, and president obama is struggling with some of the strains of being president with some of a rigid somewhat of a difficult campaign. a difficult campaign. -- with somewhat of a diffi remember when you said men are superior drivers? yeah. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of denn

. it's arithmetic. >> republicans insist the policies are failures and democrats say governor romney doesn't have a specific plan. republican senator johnson joins us from denver. you've been in the bubble of the debate. and most people sh most polls which are inaccurate show governor romney won this debate. and i'm curious what you think overall impact will be for the candidate? >> this is a really great performance by the governor. and i think it resets the campaign giving him on opportunity to take his case to the american people. and so mup of what people have heard, seen, read about mitt romney comes through a filter, tonight he has a chance to draw a contrast between his vision for the future of the country and last four years with the president which has been a staying nant economy, chronic unemployment and massive amounts of debt. and mitt romney got a chance to put forward his plan and vision this evening and i think it's going to have a significant impact on the narratives in days and week as head its interesting the debate elevated the discussion. we didn't hear anything a

of preparation and months of anticipation, president obama and mitt romney meet face to face debating policy and differences of opinion. >> reporter: president obama and mitt romney tacted directly to one another meeting -- talked directly to one another. >> governor romney has a perspective that says, if we cut taxes, skew towards the wealthy and roll back regulation, that we'll be better off. i've got a different view. >> i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. so what i do is i bring down the tax rates. >> reporter: the republican nominee revealing his plan to reduce the deficit. >> what things would i cut from spending? i will eliminate all programs by this test. is the program so critical, it is worth borrowing money from china to pay for it. if not, i'll get rid of it. obamacare is on my list. i apologize, mr. president. >> governor romney at the beginning of this date said what we did in massachusetts could be a model for the nation. >> reporter: informing their plans for the future of america. >> as president of america, i will sit down with leaders, democratic leaders. >> g

. president obama defended his own policies while criticizing mitt romney's plan to improve the economy. his republican rival called the president's policies over the past four years a failure. >> it ultimately is going to be up to the voters, to you, which path we should take. are we going to double down on the top-down economic policies that helped to get us into the mess or break a new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle class does best. >> i'm concerned that the path that we're on has just been unsuccessful. the president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago, that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle down goth, would work. that's not the right answer for america. i'll restore the vitality that gets america working again. >> the candidates' next debate will take place october 16th in long island. >>> joining us now to talk about last night's debate is nbc news senior political editor mark murray. we appreciate you coming in this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> coming out of

and domestic issues last night in denver. tara mergener has more. >> reporter: mitt romney set the debate tone early. >> under the president's policies, middle-income americans have been buried. >> reporter: energetic and aggressive, romney slammed the president's economic record and laid out his own plan. >> there be will no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> reporter: but the president repeatedly insisted that romney is calling for $8 trillion in tax cuts and spending that cannot be paid for without adding to the deficit or burdening more middle-income americans. >> it's math. it's arithmetic. >> reporter: the. also criticized his -- the president also chris sitees the -- criticized hid cal letter without -- his challenger of not providing more. the obama campaign is conceding that the extensive preparation paid off at a time when he needed a lift. many viewers saw a president not at the top of his game. >> he seemed a bit nervous for some reason. almost some questions threw him off and rit romney seemed to throw him off a bit a

, people are not quite sure what mitt romney's policies are. the president doesn't have policies. romney does, but we don't understand them. >> a debate is never a good time to explain anything. it's supposed to be the summation of the argument you've made all year long. >> the really funny thing about this is that the president -- we have no clue what he's going to do in a second term. he says give me four more years. nobody knows for what. romney on the other hand has a 59 page booklet which he's distilled to five points. but i'm not sure those have sunk in. it's obama saying i don't believe you and romney saying i don't know anything about you. that's why this will be an interesting debate. >> you're right. the president's side wants specifics. so we may very well get questions on how romney is going to change the tax code. what loopholes he wants to eliminate. >> suggested yesterday in a regional tv show in denver, colorado, a local interview. romney drops this bomb that we've all been waiting for. we know he has tax cuts, but we didn't know what deductions he'd eliminate. he tells t

over mr. romney on the broad issue of foreign policy. and then we get into some real contested ground. the president is favored on the issue of taxes, but on the generic question of who would be better trusted to handle the economy, mr. romney leads by three. on the deficit, mr. romney leads by nine. on all of these issues, that's the one on which he has the strongest trust from voters as compared with president obama. and that confidence in mr. romney on the deficit turns up not just in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll, but in a lot of national polls. even though he hasn't given a lot of details as to how he would handle the deficit as an issue. the bottom line, there's no question as to who you would rather be here, right? you would rather be president obama than mitt romney looking at these numbers. that plus 19 advantage that the president has on looking out for the middle class, that is a death nail for mr. romney's campaign if he cannot turn that around. but i think looking ahead to tonight's debate, there is a real opportunity in the huge disconnect in the electorate, in a wa

, dreamland that romney presented and i think as time goes on, people will say, these policies are not good policies. not the guy i want to vote for. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan and now five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big bold idea is never mind. >> never mind. never mind my promise that i'm going to cut taxes and i'm going to also balance the deficit, but i'm not going to tell you about the loopholes i'm going to close or the deductions. so just trust me. you know, come on. >> that would be -- if that was an effective message, then president obama would have done a lot better last night. that is the line that the obama team has been trotting out for several months and then it didn't match up with reality and if you do just a little digging, you find out that wasn't true. i think the romney team immediately, because they've been calling him a liar so much, then america sees him, he doesn't seem like he's lying to me. and to obama's credit, he did not do what his campaign has done, he did not personally attack which shows a disconnect betwee

's policy middle income americans have been buried. >> reporter: energetic and agrees ever, romney slammed the president's economic record and laid out his own plan. >> there will be no cut that adds to the deficit. >> reporter: but the president repeatedly insisted that romney is calling for $8 trillion in tax cuts and spending that cannot be paid for without adding to the deficit or burdening more middle income americans. >> it's math. it's arithmetic. >> reporter: the president also criticized his opponent for not providing more details about wall street reform and healthcare. >> at some point, i think the american people have to ask themselves, is the reason that governor romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they're too good? >> reporter: privately, the obama campaign is conceding that romney's extensive debate preparation paid off at a time when he needed a lift. many viewers saw a president not at the top of his game. >> he seemed nervous for some reason almost as though some questions threw him and mitt romney seem to throw them off as well. >> reporter: but n

. and romney tried to move past them. >> under the president's policies, middle-income americans have been buried. they're just being crushed. i will not, under any circumstances, raise taxes on middle-income families. >> reporter: the president challenged his rival, saying that romney cannot keep his goal of cutting taxes and not add to the deficit without hurting the middle-class. >> now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> reporter: other topics included medicare reform and the president's health care reform law. while there wasn't a knockout punch by either side, some feel the president may have been too relaxed. >> this time, he seemed just a little detached at times. didn't want to be there. >> reporter: most agree romney led the debate. and after lagging in many polls, this first match-up could give him the boost he needed. >> knowing he's behind and he needs to win. and he came in and fought that fight stylistically. i think he put the president on defense a number of times. >> reporter: now, the candidates aren't wasting any time. they'

the fuz fuzziness of romney's policy suggestions on taxes. romney's suggestion the auto business bankrupt. he did not show up. he has to next time. the that you're going to see by tuesday is going to be significant in a lot of states. >> and also the swing in attitude. you look at the wall street journal editorial page. the best republican performance since 1980. bill crystal was saying the same thing last night. i was saying the same thing. i said, this is the best i've seen a republican do since 1980. >> in a generation. i've been very critical. bill crystal has been critical. conservatives have been critical. why can't mitt romney connect the dots? last night he did. how important is that -- forget the state by state -- just in getting people excited to go to the phones. how important is that? >> this great depression that's been hanging around the republican party, all the down ballot races, it's gone. it's lifted. it's over. hope has been restored in the race. i said a month ago when bill clinton did his convention speech shlgs it was one of the great convention speeches ever. it was

. an analysis by the tax policy center shows governor romney will have to make some big tradeoffs. >> so, governor romney has made five promises. he can't keep them all. he is going to have to, at some point, abandon one of those promises. he cannot cut tax rates, cut taxes on the middle class, cut taxes on capital gains, and balance the budget all at once. >> reporter: romney advisers have said they would consider eliminating tax breaks on at least two forms of saving, life insurance and muni bonds. and the governor's supporters argue tax cuts generate enough growth to offset some of their cost. >> people can have reasonable disagreements about the magnitude of that growth effect, but to assume that it is zo, i think, is wrong. and once you relax that assumption, then, all of a sudden, other things start to be possible. >> reporter: but it's hard to be sure about the impact of tax cuts on the economy, which is why the experts in congress and the treasury who are responsible for estimating the cost of tax changes generally ignore the impact of tax reforms on the entire economy. darren ge

% of the country as irresponsible victims. his aides advised him to focus on policy, such as romney's effort to distance himself from his own tax proposal. >> for 18 months, he's been running on his tax plan, and now five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is "nevermind." >> reporter: but now, top democrats and liberal pundits bemoan a missed opportunity. >> i don't know what he was doing out there. he had his head down. he was enduring the debate, rather than fighting it. >> it looked like romney wanted to be there, and president obama didn't want to be there. >> reporter: some even blamed denver's high elevation for the president's performance. >> when you go to 5,000 feet and only have a few hours to adjust, i don't know -- >> reporter: last night, the president spent much time looking down at his podium, taking notes. and he squandered easy opportunities to go after romney, such as this moment. >> i like pbs, i love big bird. i actually like you, too. but i'm not going to spend money on things -- >> reporter: a wide opening, but the president took more than 14

further, that is not what i believe is a recipe for economic growth. >> mitt romney was having a that. >> under the president's policies, middle income families had been buried. middle-income families have seen their income come down by $4,300. this is a tax in at del. i will call it the economy tax. >> commit romney, so often stiff and wooden seemed a different man. look at the gleam in his eyes as he talked directly to the opponent. the credit was measure but hardly fired up. they clashed on health care and why the president had not picked up a plan to cut the huge debt. >> the president should have grabbed it. he wanted to make adjustments to accommodate and go to congress. >> that is what we have done. we have made adjustments -- >> you have been president for years. you said you would cut the deficit in half. we still have trillion dollar deficit. less cbs as we will have a trillion dollar deficit in the next four years. >> president obama interrupted again -- think romney might win a and oscar but it was untethered from the truth. the president echoed the complaint. >> i met thi

. romney came out swinging as the candidates argued tax policy, budget deficit and health care and looks like the aggressive approach may have paid off for the republican challenger. a poll shows romney made strides. we go to denver first. >> reporter: terrell, good morning. seems like mitt romney may have received that boost he was hoping for after putting the president on the defensive for much of the night. romney lauded his own accomplishments as governor of to highlight the failed promises of the obama administration. the first presidential debate started with a hand shake and a romantic moment. >> 20 years ago i became the luckyiest man onarth because michelle obama agreed to married me. >> congratulations. >> reporter: that was the last touching moment of the night. >> everything he said about my tax plan is inaccurate. the tax plan he described is the tax plan i was asked to support i would say absolutely not. >> he's been running on this tax plan, and now five weeks before the election he's saying that his big bold idea is never mind. >> reporter: the theme of the debate for pre

with a handshake and then turned into assault by mitt romney, going after the left four years in office. president's policies, middle income americans have been crushed. he also described the cuts. will stop the subsidy to pbs. spending things to borrow money from china to for it. >> 5 million jobs in the private created. industry has come back and housing has begun to rise. said there was no way mitt promise ofd keep his taxes without adding to deficit. before thee weeks election, he says his big, bold idea is never mind. >> the president never brought the controversial 47%,. analysts say it was romney who won this debate. >> moments like this could wipe slate clean. >> as both candidates hit the supporters of, the present offer this a device. -- twohave to the war debates, did it to mitt romney. >> this debate is making a new on the -- is having a on twitter. >> twitter tracks just how many tweets were sent and which most. sparked the there were 10.3 million sent between 9:00 in 1030. came whenhe moderator not" romney, "let's talk about ad to topic.nt comments about cutting funding pbs for also

. the nonpartisan tax policy center concluded that mitt romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over ten years. romney said again tonight that his plan would be paid for, but to pay for those cuts, he would have to close loopholes in the tax code and get rid of some tax deductions, he said, and credits, but he's repeatedly refused to say which deductions he would get rid of saying that he would work with congress to make those decisions. also tonight president obama said his plan would cut the deficit by $4 trillion. >> we all know that we've got to do more, and so i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. it's on a website. you can look at all the numbers, what cuts we make and what revenue we raise. >> reporter: that estimate comes from the left-leaning center on budget and policy priorities. $3.8 trillion, to be exact, over ten years. the president is counting money saved by letting the bush tax cuts expire for people making more than $250,000 a year, but he's also counting $1 trillion in savings over ten years by drawing down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. the biparti

of every piece of rhetoric and policy, there is nothing there. you saw it last night. governor romney talked about his trillion dollars in tax cuts and his trillion dollars in additional defense spending. it is mathematically impossible to accomplish what governor romney proposed. he sat there and talked about working with congress, addressing health care. the most ironic part was when governor romney was out there discussing -- >> that's simply not true. >> criticizing the president when in fact his policy similar to the president proposed. >> that's not true. if you look at what president obama was doing -- >> there's a long ways before the election is over. governor romney had one good day out of a horrific campaign by any standard. now the question is what happens after this. >> the campaign was so horrific, chris, then the polls wouldn't be as close as they are and national polls have them neck and neck. >> i'm not sure what polls you're remembering ferring to. >> let me finish. romney is up in some of the daily tracking polls. so the campaign is not -- again, chris, hold on a se

is gutting $716 billion from medicare. romney's taxes, romney's immigration policies. so take a listen to romney, repeatedly bringing up $716 billion claim to no pushback. >> i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion. second reason, he cuts $716 billion from medicare to pay for it. if the president were to be re-elected, you're going to see a $716 billion cut to medicare. >> why no pushback? >> right, that was one of the most astounding things about last night. i mean, we know that those assertions by governor romney are not true. we've all talked about it. we've talked about it here, and we know those assertions are factually inaccurate. so why didn't the president go after him? it's hard to know. the president lacked very tentative and ill prepared. but i'll tell you what we're going to see starting today. you'll see what governor romney said last night, contrasting with what he said on the campaign trail all night long. a very different, almost progressive mitt romney showed up last night. he was for immigration, he was not going to cut the taxes shared by rich people

romney doubled down on a number of policies that have hurt his campaign. and coming out of it, we still didn't hear details. that's what i think the american people were looking for from mitt romney as they were looking ahead to the debate last night. >> i'm going to disagree with you. i don't think what people will remember coming out of this debate is what you just laid out. i think people will remember is that mitt romney seemed aggressive, in control. he seemed comfortable. he seemed energetic and the president seemed the opposite of all of those things. what went wrong? >> well, agree to disagree. i think mitt romney also -- you know, he had an opportunity to lay out details on his $5 trillion tax plan and instead he relied on, you know, a magic calculator with magic math. he came in, needing a game changing performance. >> some people would say that was it. honestly, jen, we were just having that conversation. >> will he be up by ten points in ohio? is he going to be leading in iowa? that's where the game changing performance means. >> i buy that's a long-term question. what jen s

romney won tonight. i think he's going to have a high price to pay tomorrow. his policy positions are completely opposite. i think ekama cross strongly tonight, but -- he came across strongly tonight. when they look at the policy discrepancies and how that falls on the middle class, i think he's going to have to be clear on that. >> we're going to get to the performance in a minute, but did the candidates tell the truth in what they were doing when they sparred in this debate. gary nurenberg is at headquarters in mcclane with our fact checker who were following this blow by blow. >> reporter: they were following it blow by blow, and there were a lot of facts to try to unravel. a fact heavy debate. for example, who is going to cut taxes to the middle class. who has the best plan to cut the deficit. who cut700 billion to medicare and does it matter. these are all of the things the fact checkers are trying to get through. we'll have all of that later on. right now, though, matt jablow is out at maryland university where students watched the debate unsold and they're going to have a l

, there was a lot of policy. on medicare i thought romney admitted that he wanted to voucher medicare. it is an ideological difference it was a good debate. you should have the debate about how you want to do it. i do believe it's important that currently tire reez will see 11 -- current retirees will see $11,000. so those are differences we can talk about, whether that's under obama care or not. but let's have the philosophical difference. he believes the competition is going to drive it. there was a pole today. 93% of seniors like medicare the way it is. >> wait. they're not going to like the 716. >> at the very early polling right after the debate, did the president seem to falter at all? >> previous debate performances haven't been that strong. for all of the joking about the expectation, the president is really good at conversation and speeches. debates have been a little more of an awkward format. again, i thought governor romney won tonight in terms of what was in front of us. i think we're going to see some fallout from that. so, you know, i think what the president did was he

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been buried. >> laying out policy instead of zingers as mitt romney and president obama make their cases to voters in the first presidential debate. good morning, everybody. i'm aaron gilchrist. >> and i'm eun yang. we're going to take a live look outside right now at 4:28. it is 73 degrees out there. still warm, and muggy. we had a nice warm day yesterday, too. >> we did. meteorologist tom kierein here with us now with our first forecast. >> still a bit humid this morning. we do have a few scattered showers that are beginning to move our way, and behind that, it's going to turn less humid and more autumnal by later this afternoon. have an umbrella handy as you're heading out the door early on this thursday morning. you can see that area of rain is advancing rather quickly from the southwest heading northeast, getting some light showers now, warrenton county further west, closer to washington from near leesburg and western loudoun county getting sprinkles further north. might have just a few little tiny sprinkles in the windshields in montgomery, prince george's and

romney but i'm not going to buy the used policies he's advocating that got us into the great recession. >> what was that line last night? >> there were two moments in this relevatory. he doubled-down on the proposition that faced with a deal of $10 of spending cuts, for $1 in taxes to the rich, he would reject the deal. once again, this relentless defense and protection of the rich. and secondly, i think last night showed the american people and the middle class that mitt romney has a secret plan to eliminate the one tax deduction that keeps the middle class in their homes. and that's the deduction for mortgage interest and taxes. he says he's going to lower tax rates but eliminate corporate tax loopholes and personal tax loopholes. i think he has a secret plan to eliminate that tax critical to the middle class. >> do you think that's what viewers walked away thinking? >> i think they walked away thinking mitt romney would be a great used car salesman, but the policies he's articulating will get us right back into the mess that president obama has been working so hard to dig us out of.

not. he kept the pressure on governor romney on two of his policies that have caused romney the most trouble in this campaign, his tax plan and his medicare plan. romney has struggled to explain what he would do and the president kept going back to those proposals over and over again. on the down side for the president, you could clearly see the influence of those 23 republican primary debates that romney participated in. he was very energetic probably more energetic than the president and most tellingly scott, i haven't gotten a single e-mail from the obama campaign yet contending that the president was the winner tonight. >> pelley: nancy you mentioned all of that practice that mr. romney had. we totaled it up earlier today our research department. and the republican candidates during their primaries had more than 50 hours of televised debates so that is a lot of practice. now one of the things that the romney campaign has been smarting about is polling all across the country that seems to indicate that most people believe that it is the president who understands their problems. it

>> romney: under the president's policies the middle income americans have been crushed. this is a tax and of itself. i call it the economy tax. it has been crushing. at the same time gasoline prices have doubled under the president, electric rates are up, food prices are up health care costs have gone up by $2,500 a family. middle income families have been crushed. the question is how to get it going again. >> stephanie: some of those numbers he just pulled directly from his arse. and by the way who cares more about the middle class than mitt romney. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> those 47% voters. >> stephanie: exactly. let's go to richard in chicago. hi, richard. >> caller: what i wanted him to say when that came to the discussion -- >> stephanie: oh, i think he is -- >> he is talking with someone else. >> stephanie: corky in new york. welcome. >> caller: hello. yeah, i think y'all is miscalculating. obama has to stay cool because we have the jobs report coming out friday, and it will take this debate right off of the front page. 162,000 new jobs created which m

appearances ffom the president, some inpatient attempts to interrupt the flow of things by mitt romney, but fairly ssall. lots of policy. for reporters and voters who thought a lot of times this campaign has ordered a little bit too on -- to much on the cynical, there was it kind of policy tonight. you heard president obama at one. take the president -- take mitt romney to task. that did not happen until the last half-hour of the debate. for the better part of the first hour, it was mitt romney who was pn offense, challenging the president's record, addressing him directly, accusing the president of misrepresenting mitt romney. toward the end, we heard mitt romney say, you are entitled to your own house and plain, but not your own facts. there was a fair amount of %+arring back and forth. generally speaking, there demeanor's seemed like, in mitt romney's case, he is prepared to be president, and president obama is struggling with some of the strains of being president with some of a rigid somewhat of a difficult campaign. a difficult campaign. -- with somewhat of a diffi remember when

the flow of things by mitt romney, but fairly ssall. lots of policy. for reporters and voters who thought a lot of times this campaign has ordered a little bit too on -- to much on the cynical, there was it kind of policy tonight. you heard president obama at one. take the president -- take mitt romney to task. that did not happen until the last half-hour of the debate. for the better part of the first hour, it was mitt romney who was pn offense, challenging president's record, addressing him directly, accusing the president of misrepresenting mitt romney. toward the end, we heard mitt romney say, you are entitled to your own house and plain, but not your own facts. there was a fair amount of %+arring back and forth. generally speaking, there demeanor's seemed like, in mitt romney's case, he is prepared to be president, and president obama is struggling with some of the strains of being president with some of a rigid somewhat of a difficult campaign. -- with somewhat of a diffi remember when you said men are superior drivers? yeah. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...all

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